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adrianajones
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« on: July 30, 2011, 09:58:54 PM »

At a wedding we filmed today, it appears that we received terrible feedback from the DJ's equipment on the Panansonic HMC 150.  We had to turn off the audio on my husband's HMC and only use the audio from my Canon 60D for the second half of the wedding, or else it would have echoed feedback all afternoon long.  How do you get around this issue, for future reference?
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« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2011, 01:32:14 AM »

At a wedding we filmed today, it appears that we received terrible feedback from the DJ's equipment on the Panansonic HMC 150.  We had to turn off the audio on my husband's HMC and only use the audio from my Canon 60D for the second half of the wedding, or else it would have echoed feedback all afternoon long.  How do you get around this issue, for future reference?

Feedback is where YOU are supplying the sound that you are then recording, resulting in a major howling noise.  I doubt you were feeding the DJ's system with audio from the HMC, so "feedback" is probably the wrong term here?   So, for the sake of discussion, I'm going to assume you mean too much sound (loud) and/or simply an echo from a DJ system during speeches?  Anything else and you should have been able to adjust the audio levels on the HMC input using the dials.

DJ Equipment is certainly problematic at times.   When ever the couple spring a PA system on me without notice I KNOW I'm going to have problems with audio.   One of the questions I always ask both at the time of booking and again a couple of weeks before is whether they are using a PA system for speeches etc.  Usually the answer is no and I place wireless mics on the table in front of the speakers to capture sound while I film from the back.   If they say yes then I try very hard to get a direct feed from the PA system in to a portable recorder so that I get the mic feed and not some echo around the room from the speakers.    Worst case I place an audio recorder immediately in front of the DJ's speaker cabinet to capture that instead. 

You can never have enough audio options!

Where you can't capture usings a direct feed (i.e. record out) from the DJ's board and you can't get a mic in from of the DJ's Speaker Cabinet it has to be recorded live in the room and fixed in post instead (when I say fixed, I mean the effects are minimised using EQ etc).  Of course the opposite happens too.  You're all wired up to the PA system and some smart father of the bride thinks he doesn't need the PA and now no one further back than the front row can hear him, but he's not going to use the mic regardless of what anyone says!  So, as almost no one can hear him, they start to whisper, then talk quietly amongst themselves so the room noise gradually increases and you have even less chance of hearing him, so yet more people start talking amongst themselves and it's all down hill from there!  You start hearing people going Shhhhh!! which does nothing but mask the speaker even more!

So, mics close to the sound where possible, plug-in to the PA system where possible and record open mic from the cameras too.   3 Sources should generally cover you in post, but the more options you have the better.

So, for the "echo", just how bad was it?  Can you slip the audio a frame or two in post?   

Echo is often the result of booming bass frequencies, so add an EQ to the audio and turn down the bass and increase the treble frequencies a little.  You may not like the sound as much, but it generally makes things easier to hear.
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adrianajones
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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2011, 12:45:27 PM »

Thanks so much for your prompt response.  Sorry for the delay in answering back.  You have a lot of good ideas.  At our last wedding yesterday, here's what happened.... in both of the hmc channels when my husband tries to boost the levels of audio input, feedback is almost immediate, he can't even get it to level two and it starts to howl loudly (feedback), and this was not around a pa system.... and it is coming from the hmc's internal speaker, we think, even though were not quite sure where it's coming from... last night we put our tascam pocket studio on the dj table, and we have audio also from my second camera, but we don't like not being able to rely on his camera for audio.  Do you have any idea what might be wrong, or what we should check next? Thanks.
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« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2011, 05:59:07 AM »

Sounds like you have a major fault somewhere.   You should never get feedback in an HMC.   The speaker should not be active during record at all and the only other possible source is if you have headphones connected and placed near the HMC microphones.

Always move audio output devices as far away as possible from input devices to avoid feedback.    Do you get the same problem with the camera setup at home?  Feedback should be constant given an identical setup regardless of the location.

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adrianajones
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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2011, 11:21:56 PM »

we just figured out that the interference to the internal mic and condenser mic is from the sata cord from the marshall viewfinder... since he doesn't want to give up the external viewfinder, cause its an hmc 150 (soft focus), my husband has been feeding the audio from the condenser mic into the portable tascam digital recorder for the last couple of weddings... it's a pain to have the audio separate and then have to go back and realign with the video... does anyone know of any accessories that can be attached to the sata cord, or to any of the equipment, that will eliminate this interference and feedback?
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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2011, 07:36:31 AM »

Why have you got a sata cable to a monitor?  Sata is an interface from computers to hard diskd or cd drives.....

You need a ferrite bead around the cable that is causing the problems.  If you've ever wondered what those mystery lumps are that are moulded in to some cables.... now you know what they are and why they are there! 
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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2011, 03:17:53 PM »

sorry I meant hdmi cable
yes, ferrite bead, perfect!  That's the word/thing I was looking for.  Thank you!  Hopefully it works  Smiley
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