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« on: September 17, 2007, 11:29:12 AM »

We had one of those "easy wedding shoots" this weekend.  It was a small wedding with only about sixty guests; the photographer and DJ were totally cooperative; the chapel was absolutely beautiful and the reception room was just down the hall from the sanctuary.

No singers; no one speaking except the officiant and the couple; no live music; not much work for us.

My only complaint is that I'm trying to work in a sort of "bridal elegance" segment between preps and ceremony, then a short romantic part to be used later in the video.  But the couple were reluctant to spend even a few minutes for shooting these.  Next time, I'll prep my clients better beforehand so we can plan to have two ten minute periods to allow shooting these.  (Can you tell that I'm trying to address my lack of "artsiness" ?)

On Sunday, since we were in OKC, we went to the Oklahoma State Fair, which was sort of special since this is their centennial.  We broke out the FX1 and decided to do a three-day coverage (we return on Thursday) and put an HD-DVD together for sale on our ebay store.

I hope you all had a good wedding shoot.  Only about a month to go for our busy season.  I can hardly wait to get back on our own video projects.  

How about you?  Got any personal video projects you'll be working on this off-season?
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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2007, 11:37:44 AM »

I was off this weekend. Didn't end up getting the job in L.A. so I stayed home with the fam. I had alot of chores to do so it was nice to catch up. I ordered my new brochures and business cards. They should arrive tomorrow. Anyway, um yeah. That's about it lol.

My only other project will be to get my new promo video done. I've been waiting to put some of this years footage to good use. I generally like to do a new promo DVD each year (or more) because I always notice an increace in the quality of my work and then I can't stand the old stuff anymore. Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2007, 01:17:37 PM »

Busy season is already starting to wind down up here. I had this weekend off myself. I can't complain, it was the first weekend off in an almost straight 6 months, so I finally got to do a few home projects, like attacking the 4' tall man-eating weeds that had taken over our back yard. I even got a little time to tinker on my old Studebaker, though not enough time to get anything useful done!

To stay a little bit on-subject, last week's wedding was great. So was the rehearsal. The reception on the other hand, not so much. I made mention of this on another board I frequent, but I was taping in a reception hall I had never been to before, and my reception gave me issues.

Normally, It's pretty easy to "wing it" in an unfamiliar hall. They're all mostly similar: Square or square-ish room, dance floor, sometimes a stage, bad lighting, etc. You know, the usual.

Well, this particular hall was the hall from hell. The room was the first problem. The hall was something like 20' by 65' or thereabouts, and set up the long way, like so:



Here's how I put it on the other site:

"First of all, the place was long and narrow. The room was probably 20' wide, and 60' long. But if you think shooting video in a glorified hallway is bad, it gets worse. They literally had the tables so close together that you could barely navigate through them. Some of them you couldn't, and you had to weave and bob around to get places. Not fun when you're trying to make it to the front for a quick shot. And if there needed to be icing on the cake 'o' doom, the house had this really loud background music that drowned out every speaker that came up!

But what really bugged me was that because of the tight quarters, there of course was no room for our tripods, so everything was either from our monopod, or handheld. This in itself isn't so big a deal. I'm steady as a rock on handheld, and my wife is pretty good when she's got a monopod to assist her. But the room was so full that we were CONTINUALLY being bumped and pushed as people were trying to get through.

So the end result? Well, on their finished wedding video, the reception is nothing but bouncy, shaking shots, loud music drowning out the toasts, and an all-over product that I'm not happy with. "

We usually ask the bride and groom to reserve some table space for us, "as close to the front as possible". This way, if the room is totally packed, there should theoretically be an empty spot to stand in near the front of the room for us. Well, they must have misheard us, or the room was so small they couldn't find a way to make it work, but the spot they reserved for both us and the photographer was the farthest back table, behind this half-wall thing that obstructed view. Because the room was so crowded, we wound up spending most of the reception back there, as it took an act of congress to get through the too-close tables and the hordes of people standing and milling around.

Another thing that was a little hard to keep up with was that this family is very spontaneous and loose that they didn't really have a schedule. So seemingly out of nowhere, while we're standing in the back of the room waiting for people to finish eating, The Best man stands up and starts his speech, literally without any notice. I was fortunate enough to have a camera going anyway, so I just turned it to him as quickly as I could.

Of course, we hadn't wired up the BM and MoH for audio yet, because not 5 minutes earlier I asked if we could, and they told me that they wouldn't be giving the toasts "for quite a while yet". And so we just had to live with the audio from the onboard mics, which is bad enough on it's own. But to add to that, there was no DJ, so the hall was piping jazz music through their own speakers at a ridiculously high level. This level was maintained throughout the speeches.

Overall, everything bu the reception turned out wonderfully, and as far as the reception, well, I'm honestly torn between feeling like it was their fault for having such poor conditions, and my fault for not thinking to investigate more into an unfamiliar hall. That's what you get for assuming though.
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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2007, 01:22:27 PM »

And as far as other projects, I really would like to try and put together a documentary over the slow months. I would also like to finally finish the series on editing and special effects I've been meaning to put up for sale, but we'll see how it goes. My wife wants me to get a "day job" from October to February or so, so who knows. Maybe I won't have much spare time after all!
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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2007, 01:55:13 PM »

Jim - looks like we could make two or three great topics outta this.

First - about your hallway from hell -

We've made a point of getting a look at the reception venue either on rehearsal day or the afternoon of the wedding.  Other than knowing we'd be in for a rough ride, I guess this wouldn't have solved anything though.

Also, we always ask whether there's a DJ and we get contact info so we can let the DJ know we'll want to tap into his sound system.  If the couple says there is no DJ, we push for them to use our Peavy portable sound system.  They can play CDs, mp3s, etc. and we have wired and wireless mics that go with it.  Most importantly, we hook our Marantz DR into it as we would a DJ sound system - but using our own system means we know we will get great audio.  Oh yeah, and we charge $199 for using our Peavy!

At one wedding, they'd planned on using the house sound system, but the darn thing didn't work.  At the last minute they decided to use our system and thankfully, we always bring it, just in case.

What sort of documentary are you working on?

As for your (apparently) "how-to" stuff, would you be interested in discussing working it into our wedding videography instructional video?  We want to get some Glidecam and other artsy stuff outta Adam also if we can twist his arm.   :lol:
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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2007, 02:29:09 PM »

Heck, I wouldn't be opposed to contributing some assistance, if at all possible.

As far as my documentary, I've actually been really interested in the history of American stand-up comedy. Having done it for several years now in my spare time, I've always wanted to put together a film (ehem, I mean "video") about the origins of the entertainment. I have a few fairly popular friends in the field (one who has been a regular on "Last comic standing"). And if that weren't enough, I'd get to fly all over the country for interviews and footage, and I can write it all off as a business expense. What's better than a free vacation? :lol:

I still have a long way to go in my preproduction, but it could be a neat project. I talked to PBS (and filled out one of the nastiest application forms I've ever seen in my life!), and there seems to be at least a touching interest in them picking this up, if I ever get around to it, that is. Like I said, my wife wants me to go back to play "middle manager" for the winter, so we'll see how much actually happens.
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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2007, 03:31:40 PM »

re: my post regarding using a static jib-mounted camera with a wide angle lens..

That might have worked well here, though perhaps without the wide angle and maybe zoomed to cover some of the action at the front, and to cover your rear for times when you can't adequately catch the action with the manned cams.

I never ask for a table, but I make it clear that I will need room up front near dance floor, stage or both, for tripods & moving camera people.  Without need for table or chair, we're free to stake out whatever positions we want.  I also explain to the photogs that they should position themselves on the same plane as us videographers so we don't get in each others' shots.

I have no problem with moving tables, etc. if I need to. (I guess I'm a little pushy sometimes, but polite.) Just this last wedding, I needed space for our gear next to the DJ, but there were tables right up against the speakers on either side.  I got there before too many people were seated and asked those few who were to rise and grab hold and help me move the table back.

I realize that in your case, there may not have been room to move anything.  I guess we would have just positioned ourselves right up front with wide-angle lenses & shotgun mics.  We stand throughout most of the reception (though I may sneak a seat & a bit of cake at some quiet point) and look for shots.

Also, weddings and funerals are sometimes the only times where extended family all get together.  Therefore, I always try to make several passes through all the tables (preferably when they are not eating) and catch close & medium shots of everyone having a good time.  Sounds like this would have been nearly impossible at your last wedding!
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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2007, 04:06:29 PM »

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Heck, I wouldn't be opposed to contributing some assistance, if at all possible.

As far as my documentary, I've actually been really interested in the history of American stand-up comedy. Having done it for several years now in my spare time, I've always wanted to put together a film (ehem, I mean "video") about the origins of the entertainment. I have a few fairly popular friends in the field (one who has been a regular on "Last comic standing"). And if that weren't enough, I'd get to fly all over the country for interviews and footage, and I can write it all off as a business expense. What's better than a free vacation? :lol:

I still have a long way to go in my preproduction, but it could be a neat project. I talked to PBS (and filled out one of the nastiest application forms I've ever seen in my life!), and there seems to be at least a touching interest in them picking this up, if I ever get around to it, that is. Like I said, my wife wants me to go back to play "middle manager" for the winter, so we'll see how much actually happens.


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Ive been trying to find time for a documentary as well but it always seems to get pushed to the back burner. I want to document the wine industry in Colorado (which unbeknownst to many people) turns out alot of some of the best wine in the country. I actually grow grapes here as well (I have a tiny, 65 vine vineyard) and am really into wine. Ive also been working on a documentary idea about downhill off road unicycling (which my brother does, believe it or not).

I know someone you may be interested in talking to about your comedy doc if I can get back in touch with him (havent seen him in a couple years except in a couple local TV spots). Hes a comedian and actor and knows alot of people in the business like Tim Allen and Sinbad as well as some casting directors. I would have to look him up but anyway...
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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2007, 04:41:53 PM »

Adam,

If you can get in touch with the guy, I would definitely like the contact!

Hank,

Yeah, usually it's easy to find and/or make space. One of the reasons I ask for a reserves seat is because it always seems that when we get into a more crowded (though not as bad as last weeks!) space, if we don't ask specifically for a seat, the space we get is right in front of great aunt Flossie, and that last thing I want her staring at for a couple hours is my rear end! :lol:

Anyway, the main reason they were at this location was that it was also a fancy formal restaurant. It was where the couple had their first date, and incidentally, where the groom's grandmother and grandfather had their first date (we did a great video segment of her talking about that, but that's another story). So they rented the space out of sentiment, and not out of thought for space needs. Every table (except for the three way back in the nosebleed section) were full to capacity. A couple tables had one or two people too many. There was literally only enough for a one person-wide walkway in front of the head table, and the waitstaff kept using it during the toasts (Ah, ANOTHER thing I forgot to complain about earlier!)

Again, I won't complain too much. The video wasn't totally destroyed, and I had enough b-roll to cover up the worst offenses, such as when the chair of the person behind me slid out and almost wiped me out. But I did learn one valuable lesson. From now on, if I can scope out a hall ahead of time, I'm going to. Assuming is deadly!
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