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« on: September 24, 2007, 09:09:32 AM »

As promised, the newbie of the group would like to share how her first ever "professional" free wedding shoot went this past Saturday.  It is highly embarrassing, but seeing as how you all were nice enough to give me advice when I needed it, I figure the least I can do is make you laugh on a Monday!  Cheesy

I purchased a 4 channel mixer and 4 lav mics for this shoot after following Hank's advice.  They did not arrive, however, until the day before the shoot, so I was planning on staying up very late on Friday practicing and getting things working properly.  I was so excited when I opened the box, that I put the 2 nine volt batteries in BACKWARDS, hence blowing out the initial diode on the mother board!  Well, at least I didn't have to stay up late practicing, because it completely burned out.

So I started thinking about how I could use what I had to try to salvage the audio that day.  I decided that I would take 2 mics and put one of them near the church speakers, and put the other on the groom.  I would leave the mic for the sound system plugged into Camera A until it was time for the vows, at which time I would remove it and plug in the groom's mic.  I practiced this several times, and checked the audio several more times to make sure I was getting a good sound.  Assured that everything was good, I went ahead with the plan.  I plugged the groom's mic in exactly at the right time and... &^%$*$#@%^*&*(&^%!!!!!!!  Tons of interference with the minister's house mic!!!  Of course, here's me all by myself in the balcony moving around and adjusting the antennae all over the place in vain hope of getting an uninterrupted signal.  Meanwhile, I'm sure that I'm probably shaking my camera and destroying the video in the process of my complete panic!!  Of all times for the audio to completely go haywire - right during the vows!  I haven't watched the tape yet, as I am so mortified I just want to throw them away and start over...but I'm sure that it's a total disaster.

Other than that, mostly just other rookie mistakes like not panning the camera as smoothly as I would like, or making the mistake of going to the restroom at the reception...I missed the beginning of the MOH's speech.  (Note to self...HOLD IT!!)

By the way, I avoided several other potential disasters by checking this site daily for the past few weeks.  For instance, I attended the rehearsal as advised.  What a difference that made!  First of all, I got great establishing shots of the church because the light was so great at sunset - the next day was gloomy and dark.  Second, the minister directed me to set up my camera in a spot that would have made a terrible video.  Because I practiced shooting there as everyone walked in, I was able to realize just how much the groomsmen would have blocked my entire shot.  And I would have missed getting all the readers and singers on tape as well.  I asked him nicely if I could put my unmanned camera in that spot and take myself up in the balcony to get a better view.  He looked at me like I was crazy, but he allowed it and my video is 100 times better for it.  (I guess no one had ever shot up in the balcony before??!!)  So my camera B got great close up footage throughout the entire ceremony of just the bride and groom, and hopefully this will compensate somewhat for all my mistakes up in the balcony.  

Sorry this was so long...just wanted to make you all feel better about the jobs you are doing out there! :lol:   Anyone else want to share any embarrassing moments?  I need to hear that I'm not the only one making a jack$@% out of myself! :wink:
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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2007, 10:06:54 AM »

Sounds like a typical first shoot to me!  :lol:

Seriously, it's almost impossible to get things right without first getting a few things wrong. The only way you can be truly prepared is to learn by experience what you need to be prepared for. I'm sure however the final video turns out, the experience you had will be priceless. If you learn to look at it as a great learning experience instead of a bad video experience, you will be all the better for it.

Congratulations on losing your "video virginity"!  :lol:
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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2007, 12:08:53 PM »

This is why we strongly advise that your first two or three shoots are done for free.  Imagine how mortified you would be if this had been a paying customer!

As for my advice on the audio - I know I've said this before, but I'm going to repeat it here - I DO NOT advise using a field mixer to combine mic inputs into a single channel.  I never mix mic inputs until I'm in post.  I do not use a mixer but I do use Beachtek adapters. These allows me to have two mic inputs for each camera - one for each channel.  Again - please note that I do not mix inputs onto the same channel.

As for your audio transmission issues - I've found that (UHF especially) signals from my Azden 100 & 500 sets are only dependable to up to around twenty-five feet.  After that, you are much more susceptable to static and interference - especially in a big city.  That is why we never have a manned camera in the balcony (but it's a great place for a wide-static cam) we must monitor our audio (i.e.: wear headphones) so this dictates that we remain with the closer cameras - which is usually best anyway.

I try to establish a repoire with the DJ and the photographer and I touch base with them whenever I'm in doubt as to when the next "event" will take place.  Also, my wife and I shoot as a team and we wear Motorola headsets to stay in communication.  This combination has prevented us from missing important parts of events, countless times.  When I meet the DJ (usually right as the reception is about to begin), I hand him my card, tell him I'll be sure and include him in some of the shots and offer to send him a copy of the video.  This usually gains me the degree of cooperation I'll need.

As for the photographer, the fact that we've been to the rehearsal (photogs usualy don't attend) and that Jean and I are often in different places, but in communication with each other, means that I can often help the photographer out a bit, which may (or may not) win his cooperation.

By far your biggest obstacle, as you gain experience and all these other things stop being obstacles, will be the photogs.

As for the length of your post - ten times that length would have been OK too.  We really appreciate your post and we hope that it will help those who follow you in this great profession.
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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2007, 01:57:16 PM »

As someone who will be in this boat soon, hopefully, I appreciate your post.  Hopefully I can learn from your mistakes so that I can make my own, completely original, mistakes.  Cheesy
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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2007, 02:26:09 PM »

Hank, you are completely right about the photogs!  I didn't want to say anything about it, but I noticed right away that this was "their show" and that they viewed me as someone who was just in the way.  I tried very hard to be courteous of them and stay out of their shots, but they certainly did not return the favor...and these were actually very nice people-I have heard worse!  I can just tell they didn't have much respect for the part I was playing.  Oddly enough, even though my video won't turn out as great as I would like, I think the bride and groom will still like it very much and may even value it more than their photos.  They just don't realize it yet, which is why they didn't hire a videographer to begin with.  Despite my mistakes, they will be SO glad that I was there.

Also, Hank, I know that you have posted several times that you do not mix audio until in post, but when I spoke with B&H, maybe I did not make myself clear, because they recommended the 4 channel mixer that I got as well as the Beachtek adapter that is then needed for the VX2100.  Should I just plug my mics into the Beachtek adapter that I have, then?  I guess I'm not sure how that works in recording the audio separately.  Maybe you can direct me to a post that has already happened that discusses this issue - obviously I misunderstood something.

About the camera in the balcony...I thought I was being pretty clever given the spot the minister wanted me to man the camera, but now I see your point...I definitely learned the hard way!  In a church with no side aisles - just one center aisle and a balcony, where would you put that one manned camera?  The minister basically directed me to put my manned camera behind his right shoulder, which was directly behind the groomsmen.  Had I stayed there, I would have only got a shot of the bride and groom once they got to the altar.  I would not have been able to get any close-ups of the singers, speakers, or unity candle.  Should I have asked to place my manned camera somewhere out in the pews, instead?  I didn't want to aggrivate the minister, as he too seemed a little bothered by a videographer's presence.  

Maybe I need to assert myself a little more...by staying in the background as I did, I think I missed a lot of great shots.  I have watched Adam's promo video several times, and it seems that he is not shy about getting his shots, especially on the dance floor.  I never got as close to the subjects as he appeared to be, and his shots are magnificent.  I didn't want to get in anyone's way, so I usually had myself on a tripod off to the side all of the time.  I'll have to start being as bold as these photogs and just take the shots when I see them...brides don't seem to mind it when the photogs do it...why not us?  And I definitely have to get me one of those Glidecams when I have the money...WOW!  What an amazing shot those appear to get!  I'll hold off until I can master the camera and audio first...one thing at a time! :?
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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2007, 02:32:02 PM »

As I've often said, the wedding video is the least valuable service before the wedding and the most valuable after. The bride and groom will be very glad you did their video.
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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2007, 04:02:02 PM »

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Also, Hank, I know that you have posted several times that you do not mix audio until in post, but when I spoke with B&H, maybe I did not make myself clear, because they recommended the 4 channel mixer that I got as well as the Beachtek adapter that is then needed for the VX2100. Should I just plug my mics into the Beachtek adapter that I have, then? I guess I'm not sure how that works in recording the audio separately. Maybe you can direct me to a post that has already happened that discusses this issue - obviously I misunderstood something.

I would return the mixer (especially since it blew-up!)   :lol:

Those are great for live broadcasts, if you can have someone constantly monitor and control the mixer, but not for what we do.  By bringing each input into its own channel, you retain the ability to work with them individually in post, adjusting volume, cleaning the sound, etc. as needed.  Once you mix them together, they are "married" and there is no divorce.

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About the camera in the balcony...I thought I was being pretty clever given the spot the minister wanted me to man the camera, but now I see your point...I definitely learned the hard way! In a church with no side aisles - just one center aisle and a balcony, where would you put that one manned camera? The minister basically directed me to put my manned camera behind his right shoulder, which was directly behind the groomsmen. Had I stayed there, I would have only got a shot of the bride and groom once they got to the altar. I would not have been able to get any close-ups of the singers, speakers, or unity candle. Should I have asked to place my manned camera somewhere out in the pews, instead? I didn't want to aggrivate the minister, as he too seemed a little bothered by a videographer's presence.

I think you mean the minister's LEFT shoulder (as he faces the guests).  Yes, the groomsmen can be a problem.  That is why we go to rehearsals and make sure there will be a two-foot gap between the best man and the groom, to shoot through.

This (behind groomsmen) is the best position (camera #1) because it allows the best view of the bride.  Note that when shooting in forward wing positions (on guests side), it is still on the groomsmen side that we have the best view of the bride.

Situations can differ, but usually the best position for the static cam a two-cam shoot woud be in the rear, set wide, because if the camera is positioned properly, this camera just cannot be blocked - it will allways offer a shot to cut to.    Next, is behind bridesmaids.  This position offers best view of the groom.  Since we don't use as many closeups of the groom as the bride, I usually do lots of mediums and fulls as well as shots of parents, etc. from this position which we usually man with camera #2.

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Maybe I need to assert myself a little more...by staying in the background as I did, I think I missed a lot of great shots. I have watched Adam's promo video several times, and it seems that he is not shy about getting his shots, especially on the dance floor.


First off - Adam is an artistic genius.  I could get the world's best steadicam, and spend the rest of my life practicing video creativity and I'll never approach his level of talent.  But my videos are improving creatively thanks to his setting the bar so high and my crude attempts to rip off his shots.  

(Strange to use the word "creatively" when I'm not being the least bit creative - just trying to copy some really great stuff done by others.)

Yes - you do need to be assertive.  This is one of those things rarely talked about that we cover in our course.  It is best to be on friendly terms with photogs and officiants BUT they MUST respect you.  The respect is more important than the "friendly" !

Being six-foot-two, sixty years old and in decent physical shape, helps a lot.  It is more difficult to command respect when you're shorter, younger, etc. but it can be done without too much effort, really.  (I think that setting up that jib and hanging an FX1 on it got me a lot of respect in my last wedding!)  :lol:

The way you carry yourself, look directly into people's eyes and speak and move with confidence, will go a long ways toward gaining respect.  Having respect of your clients, their guests, photogs, DJs, etc. really makes your job easier.

Having a high, wide-angle cam covering the entire floor and then two manned-cameras set ninety-degrees apart, will almost guarantee you'll effectively cover cake-cutting; bouquet; garter; dancing; etc.  But do not allow photogs to stand in front of your cameras.  Politely, with a smile, but firmly, ask them to step aside and not block your cameras.
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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2007, 06:13:41 PM »

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First off - Adam is an artistic genius.  I could get the world's best steadicam, and spend the rest of my life practicing video creativity and I'll never approach his level of talent.  But my videos are improving creatively thanks to his setting the bar so high and my crude attempts to rip off his shots.


Thanks alot Hank! I wouldn't quite go that far but as I've said before I think creativity is only a measure of how well you can "rip off" shots from those better than you. I will say I have a talent for recreating things I see. When I was a kid I would draw life-like pictures in pencil that looked just like the real thing. But I couldn't do it unless I had something to mimic. It's no different for me now. I am really good at seeing creative and beautiful shots that other videogs do and recreating it. And there's nothing wrong with that IMO. If you can "rip off" the best things that other videogs do, you will be as good as they are. I guess that strategy would work up until there's no one left that's better than you. I'm definitely not there yet!  :lol:
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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2007, 07:27:07 AM »

Hopefully, Adam, then you don't mind that I use your work to help myself find better shots!  I saw so many great shots that you had in your promo that I almost had to start making a list to take with me.  I know I'll forget to get artistic shots right now because I am so focused on working my camera, but once that comes a little more naturally I will be looking for ways to add more creativity to my work...and that's where I'll probably be mimicing a few things, myself!  (It sounds like your work is great, Hank, but I wasn't able to view it online, so I'll have to take your word for it! :wink: )
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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2007, 11:24:12 AM »

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( It sounds like your work is great, Hank, but I wasn't able to view it online, so I'll have to take your word for it!  )


I've posted a clip or two in the Critiques forum.  Just grabbed a segment from whatever I was editing at the time.  I'll try and post something from this 5 camera shoot when I get around to it.  I've got three or four weddings, one love-story, one corporate piece and one mini-documentary captured, but not yet edited - so I'm running a little bit behind.
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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2007, 04:05:01 PM »

You want a laugh?

I've got over 10 years behind a camcorder to my name, and a couple months ago, while I was shooting my trademark "ultra low angle bride coming up the aisle with dad" shot at a very sentimental wedding, and I accidentally bumped the camera into standby mode! Lost the entire last half of the bridal procession on my camera!

Even the weathered vets make nasty, terrible, gut-wrenching mistakes at times. You just have to get back up on your feet, and pray to the deity of your choosing that you got enough alternate angles and b-roll to make it look good again. I have to admit, there are days where I get more praying done in my editing suite than when I go to church on Sunday! :-)
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« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2007, 04:19:12 PM »

By the way, if you're ever in the middle of a service and a mic starts freaking out, here's my advice:

1-Don't panic!

2-Check if both channels are distorted, or if it's just one. If it's just one, you may be able to pull some usable audio out of the other, especially if the mics are close to each other (such as a pastors mic and a grooms mic). See step 1.

3- If the interference is persisting, and bad enough to affect both channels, or if the unaffected channel is nonessential (such as a FOB mic after the give-away), just unplug the mic and use the onboard mics. After all, even a crappy camcorder mic is better than no audio at all, especially in syncing the footage later for editing. See step 1.

4- If you have the ability, plug your headphones into the wireless receiver. Usually, the levels will be super soft, but you should be able to hear well enough that you can tell when the interference stops. If your receiver doesn't output enough power to get an audible signal to your headphones, you can buy or build a super cheap amplifier from radio shack. See step 1.

Honestly, as simple as it sounds, "Don't Panic" is really the biggest lifesaver piece of advice I can think to give anyone. When something unexpected happens, it's natural to panic, but if we overcome that reflective action, we can almost always overcome challenges in the end. That goes not only for video production, but most areas of life. (Yes, I am a Douglas Adams fan, in case anyone was wondering).
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« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2007, 04:28:16 PM »

Jim's advice is great, as usual.

My advice, if your audio is going downhill during the ceremony -

Yell, "CUT!".  [Oh wait, you can't do that.]

This is why we use multiple audio capture plans.

Minister & groom's mics back up each other.
Groom's mic also backs up FOB's.
Digital recorder tapped into house sound.
Shotgun mic stationary & pointed at couple/minister.
Shotgun mics stationary & pointed at performers to backup their mics.

I've had instances where one mic went out, either permanently or intermittently.  I've never had a case where more than one was unusable.  So having multiple capture plans like this are an important  type of audio insurance.

Oh, and you Beachtek users out there - sometimes, after miking everyone before the ceremony then doing your sound tests, you want to grab a few more preps or b-roll, right?  You unplug the Beachtek to get some ambient, right?  Then you remember to plug it back in again, right?  Duh!  (I have forgotten!)
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« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2007, 05:18:06 PM »

Thanks for posting this, I'm about to do my first "professional" attempt as well, it was fun to read about your mistakes and accomplishments.
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« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2007, 06:26:44 PM »

I look forward to hearing about yours too Jordan!
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