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Author Topic: A great story: Why brides should NEVER let family do their video!  (Read 1132 times)
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« on: May 22, 2009, 01:43:46 AM »

This is a cut-n-paste from the article I posted on my website. I'll leave off my list of  few of the many reasons to hire a pro, as the story sorta lays it out on it's own.

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This is a true story. Some names and details have been changed to protect the innocent (or guilty, depending on your perspective).

My wife and I were at a coffee shop, meeting with Lynette about her upcoming wedding. She had seen our demo, looked into our services, an she absolutely loved what we had to offer. There was just one problem - she didn't want to pay anything remotely close to our regular rates. We offered some options to her, such as our affordable payment plan, but she had her mind made up: There was no way she would spend over $1000 on her video, especially as she put it, when Uncle Lenny offered to record her wedding for $50.

We politely explained reasons why we felt skipping a professional videographer would be a mistake, but Lynette's mind was made up. Uncle Lenny was going to do her video and save her piles of cash.

About four weeks after her wedding, Lynette gave me a call, asking for help. Apparently her uncle Lenny had let her down in a major way. He was smart enough to use two cameras, but he couldn't figure out how to work his free editing program. After about a month of trying, he gave up and delivered her "video" to her (which by the way was also her wedding present!). The "video" was two miniDV tapes, completely unedited, with labels written in pen stating "Wedding video by Uncle Lenny!" (yes, with the exclamation point.) Especially sad was the fact that Lynette didn't even own a camcorder that could play those tapes! She had paid $50, didn't get a wedding gift, and now she couldn't even watch the unedited raw tapes!

She asked me if I could take Lenny's videos and edit them into a watchable program for her, and I agreed. She brought over the tapes and we reviewed them. The video quality was poor, and the audio was terrible. To make a watchable DVD, I told her the least it would take me was nine hours of work, and at that I started on the job.

In the end, my labor costs came to about $975 to fix Uncle Lenny's mess. Between that, what she paid Lenny in the first place, and not getting a gift from Lenny, she wound up spending more money than if she had just gone with us in the first place, and her final product wasn't nearly as good.

It's a sad story for her. She was actually lucky I was in a benevolent mood - her bill should have been about $150 more, because I actually went down to a friend of mine who masters audio for a music studio in the cities, and had him do a cleanup on the audio to make it at least listenable. But since she hadn't asked and I hadn't quoted her on that, I ate it.

The funny thing was that she was only looking for the most basic package we offer, which is only $999. In the end, she wound up spending $25 more, and lost out on a wedding gift (though if Uncle "Lenny" gave gifts like he gave videos, she probably wouldn't have wanted it!). Plus, while I think I did a pretty darn good job at making those crappy consumer camcorder-shot tapes sparkle, her final product was still nothing like what it would have been. Both cameras were so zoomed out you could barely make out any details, and if I hadn't had the audio tweaked it would have been intolerable. (Even with mastering, the audio was only barely tolerable!)

So if any brides stumble through these forums, take warning. You'll either hire a pro before the fact or after the fact. Either way it will cost about the same, but your video will be infinitely better if you start out on the right foot.

And in closing, yeah yeah, I know a lot of you guys charge way more than $999 for your base package-We're in a 100,000 pop. college town surrounded by 50 miles of farmland in every direction. There ain't no money up here.  Cool
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« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2009, 02:01:26 AM »

On a Roll,

I don't walk out the door for less than 2k anymore but I live where 1600 square foot houses were $1,000,000 2 years ago.

The value of $$ is extremely relative even here throughout the US.  Yahoo tells me me $$ is worth 30% more in Colorado and probably quite a bit more in less affluent states.  If a dump here is $600k and in OK is worth 60k, then people's money in OK is effectively worth 10x more where Real Estate is concerned.

I actually think you could steal a dump here for $300k which means really only 500% more worth in OK but it sure makes me consider moving to the most affluent area of OK and living the good life!

Great story and a little sad.  I hate trying to convince brides of the importance of what we do but if they blow it......they'll sure regret it.

Cheers,

Todd.
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« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2009, 02:23:10 AM »

Yeah, if I were doing hi-def in the twin cities area, I'm sure I could set a base price around 2k and still sell em like hotcakes. But going with your analogy to houses, up here in Saint Cloud a buddy of mine who got married last weekend bought a fairly nice home for $50,000. Absolutely nothing has any value whatsoever, and with St. Cloud unemployment being at a whopping 11-ish percent, it's not getting any better.

I've actually considered moving to the cities just for these reasons, but my wife is really attached to her job. She's a pediatric nurse, and she wants to keep seeing the kids she's had as patients for the last 5 years. I'm not complaining, I still make enough that I don't need a "day job", though I wouldn't mind living in a million-dollar house either Cheesy
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« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2009, 07:39:43 AM »

I once had a client bring me a collection of 3-camera wedding tapes that a relative had shot of ceremony and reception.  Apparently she was known to do pretty good on her vacation videos so the family was sure she could do a great wedding video.

Terrible, terrible images from the cheap consumer cameras shooting in the low light conditions of weddings, but the audio was even worse.  I've got some great software for working on audio and I did finally get it to where you could understand what the minister was saying, but it wasn't fun to listen to or to watch either. 

All three of the ceremony cameras were unmanned and on tripods.  Her inexperience with shooting weddings ended up with two of the cameras pretty wide and the third was blocked by groomsmen's backs and totally useless.

The reception audio was badly clipped and useless.  I blended cd tracks with ambient audio from one of my own wedding shoots, which worked out surprisingly well.

I only charged $500 which turned out to be OK because there was only so much I could do with the tapes. 

Hey, I got those real estate deals beat - we just bought (foreclosure) a 3br lake house on 2.5 acres with a little barn for $11k.

Jim - Welcome back!!   (Jim was one of the original founders of these forums and is back after a long absence.)
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« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2009, 12:53:08 PM »

Hank, that deal is absolutely insane! Congrats on a real bargain. I've had cars that cost more than your new place.

oh, and
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I blended cd tracks with ambient audio from one of my own wedding shoots, which worked out surprisingly well.
That's almost exactly what I did with the reception portion of this gal's tapes! Most of the songs the DJ was playing were your cookie cutter reception songs (electric slide, chicken dance, etc...), so I took the audio tracks I had from weddings I shot and just about completely overdubbed their audio. You couldn't tell it wasn't from their event. Moments like that make me wonder how gratifying it would be to be a foley artist in Hollywood. I think I'd get a kick out of going to the movies with people and telling em "you hear that sound? I did that with two pieces of paper and a handful of corn flakes." If I can derail my own thread for a moment, I'm always amused at the funny stuff foley artists use to create sound effects.
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« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2009, 11:03:10 PM »

That made our sixth real estate acquisition this year.  With our rental income, on top of other steady income, like web hosting, some business partnerships, etc., (and considering our own home is paid for) we now have enough coming in to relax and start working on our own video projects, go sailing, travel, etc.

This will be our last full-time wedding season.  We're only going to do about six weddings a year, after this.
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« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2009, 11:32:50 PM »

Congratulations Hank, you've surpassed the realms of self-employment, and you're rapidly moving on your way to self unemployment, the goal of every red blooded American!

I look forward to the day when my investments actually afford me the time to enjoy life.
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